tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post6587732892764636178..comments2024-01-29T17:51:55.608+00:00Comments on Nige's Diet & Nutrition Blog: Sunday Smörgåsbord: liberty, the internet, worry, health & Lyle McDonald.Nigel Kinbrumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03368973941328529619noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-51250990505313802022013-07-08T17:30:47.570+01:002013-07-08T17:30:47.570+01:00Thanks for the link.
And therein lies the point: ...Thanks for the link.<br /><br />And therein lies the point: very obscure and rare situations that are practically impossible to duplicate even under extreme protocols in a paleo or real-food/whole-food context.Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-8096509560645084702013-07-08T16:25:29.877+01:002013-07-08T16:25:29.877+01:00IIRC, rabbit starvation happened in Winter, when f...IIRC, rabbit starvation happened in Winter, when food energy intake requirement was high (>3,000kcals/day), equating to >700g/day of P. The daily P limits came from a study by Rudman et al 1973 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC333026/pdf/jcinvest00639-0171.pdf<br /><br />Some bodybuilders experienced hyperammoniaemia (according to muscletalk.co.uk), as they swallowed humongous amounts of ultra-low-fat protein each day.Nigel Kinbrumhttp://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-71873780865754857392013-07-08T15:10:02.346+01:002013-07-08T15:10:02.346+01:00Caution: N=1, ahoy!
I've been on this forum d...Caution: N=1, ahoy!<br /><br />I've been on this forum dedicated to mixed carnivore eating strategies. Basically a toned-down off-shoot of the zero-carb zeal. It was created by those who still find that they benefit from meat as the base of the diet, but with some added elements and without the bat-shit dogma that tends to plague certain puritanical covenants.<br /><br />I was reading through their archives two-years-earlier, and this one fellow went on a Rabbit Starvation experiment. NOTHING HAPPENED. The individual in question was already one of those success stories who had become lean and built muscle on a high meat diet. He had become an outdoors buff; went on hikes and did hunting, etc. So to test all this Rabbit Starvation nonsense, he went on a high protein diet comprised of actual rabbit hunting, lean chicken, turkey, etc.; barely any difference other than a very mild reduction in body fat although he was already around the sub-10% body fat mark. His health markers also improved, although they were already very good.<br /><br />This whole, ZOMG Rabbit Starvationz thinking is warped, and in some cases, more so than the vegan camp. The vegetarian-crowd actually makes a more credible case for methionine restriction with regards to ageing, despite being taken to absurd extremes. On the other hand, this latest protein scare in the paleo sector is just fucking baffling; let's chase the long lost ghost of the rabbit starved when it is nigh impossible to down over 400 grams of protein from any whole food source. It's amazing how some people read a few studies and then assume that we're all consuming a bloody lab-number diet of highly concentrated and isolated nutrients. Even lean forms of protein come with some basic and benign balance of fat. But o teh proteinz chocolate cakez and PUFAz! *SMFH*Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-84242933316063367842013-07-08T14:34:16.614+01:002013-07-08T14:34:16.614+01:00There's no danger of "rabbit starvation&q...There's no danger of "rabbit starvation" when eating farmed animal produce, as the fat content of farmed animal produce is way above ~5% by weight (~10% by energy).<br /><br />The only ultra-low-fat protein foods are most legumes, egg-whites, non-oily fish & protein powders.Nigel Kinbrumhttp://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-74644113472271956192013-07-08T14:23:51.730+01:002013-07-08T14:23:51.730+01:00Right on. . . It's interesting that this subje...Right on. . . It's interesting that this subject is now getting some proper attention. Woo's also touched on it in the past and now addresses it at length in one of her recent posts.<br /><br />If one's eating carbohydrate restricted and meat and eggs are a sort of staple in the diet, then protein is a major factor that in my opinion, which I base on the general research and much of the body building community's approach, is actually a good thing.Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-6807586668881444902013-07-07T11:04:01.557+01:002013-07-07T11:04:01.557+01:00I've never been a dedicated follower of fashio...I've never been a dedicated follower of fashion :-D<br /><br />As a protein intake of up to about 400g a day (equivalent to about 2lb of meat/poultry/fish a day) is safe for the vast majority of people (limited by their livers' ability to deaminate surplus protein), I have no problem with high protein diets. As Prof. Andro pointed out, they merely result in expensive urine!Nigel Kinbrumhttp://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-58354472443689506972013-07-07T10:55:26.865+01:002013-07-07T10:55:26.865+01:00Yes, but moderate protein as well as protein-phobi...Yes, but moderate protein as well as protein-phobia are in vogue now, my friend.<br /><br />Andrew Kim has that article where he's critical about certain diets, namely low-carb. One of the comments that followed was the typical, "But was it proper high-fat and *moderate* protein?" Followed by your own comment, I believe, which was something along the lines of questioning whether he was referring to constant ketosis or a less aggressive form of carbohydrate restriction. Now in the context of whole-food dietary terms, where eggs, meat and vegetables--with no added fats etc.--form the base of the diet, one's looking at a substantially higher protein intake with a moderate-to-high fat content and lower-ish carbohydrate. Is that really so bad?Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.com