tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post1699348925763672731..comments2024-01-29T17:51:55.608+00:00Comments on Nige's Diet & Nutrition Blog: Calcium shift: An interesting hypothesis.Nigel Kinbrumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03368973941328529619noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-46930058111021609532014-10-02T00:47:27.734+01:002014-10-02T00:47:27.734+01:00thx, nigel :)thx, nigel :)weilasmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-69540646217025259762014-10-01T13:14:50.145+01:002014-10-01T13:14:50.145+01:00The amount required to drastically lower the RR fo...The amount required to drastically lower the RR for various diseases is not a lot (in the Rotterdam Study, the high K2 group were getting ~50ug/day), so your Kerrygold cheese will almost certainly provide that. Did you read the Vitamin K post? <br /><br />To cure diseases e.g. osteoporosis requires a larger amount. As I had osteoporosis, I am continuing to supplement with K2, at a lower dose (5mg/day) than I used to treat it (15mg/day).<br /><br />As hypertension is multi-factorial, it wouldn't be a reliable indicator of K2 status anyway.Nigel Kinbrumhttp://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-56641209755032699962014-10-01T10:56:08.649+01:002014-10-01T10:56:08.649+01:00how can we ascertain if we need to supplement with...how can we ascertain if we need to supplement with K2? i eat a lot of kerrygold cheese and butter. do i get enough from those sources? after someone starts supplementing with k2, how can they know if the supplementation is having a positive effect? i could see if i had high blood pressure and after 3 months of supplementation my numbers were better- that would be a kind of monitoring. but i don't have high blood pressure. so how do we monitor whether k2 is helping?weilasmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-71509261696181168402014-09-28T00:18:32.675+01:002014-09-28T00:18:32.675+01:00I've read that Orientals won't eat Stilton...I've read that Orientals won't eat Stilton, as, to them it's mouldy milk.Nigel Kinbrumhttp://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-42728638032212760282014-09-28T00:16:00.582+01:002014-09-28T00:16:00.582+01:00I'll drink to that! Make mine a red J2O with i...I'll drink to that! Make mine a red J2O with ice & a slice.Nigel Kinbrumhttp://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-10362795010013732032014-09-27T22:01:35.089+01:002014-09-27T22:01:35.089+01:00I've got some cold Jever Pilsner in the fridge...I've got some cold Jever Pilsner in the fridge–no doubt lacking in calcium & vitamin K₂—but I'm told it has some B-vitamins, and those German hops must have some health benefits in addition to tasting <i>great...</i>billy the knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-63057310482434491262014-09-27T20:34:27.224+01:002014-09-27T20:34:27.224+01:00Let's drink to that . . . you get the milk!Let's drink to that . . . you get the milk!Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-38042703225028456132014-09-27T20:32:51.558+01:002014-09-27T20:32:51.558+01:00Agreed!<i>Agreed!</i>billy the knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-22534267566596041412014-09-27T20:30:34.530+01:002014-09-27T20:30:34.530+01:00I have at least four friends who've grown up i...I have at least four friends who've grown up in the far east who'd disagree with you, but I guess it's a case of different strokes for different folks.Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-64722280175050058282014-09-27T20:28:06.924+01:002014-09-27T20:28:06.924+01:00From yum to yuck!From <i>yum</i> to <i>yuck!</i>billy the knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-69850352364663124702014-09-27T20:27:13.391+01:002014-09-27T20:27:13.391+01:00Or a pill if you can't have the food. Whatever...Or a pill if you can't have the food. Whatever.Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-90727462910057250342014-09-27T20:26:50.992+01:002014-09-27T20:26:50.992+01:00I know you didn't, and that goes back to what ...I know you didn't, and that goes back to what I was saying earlier: that comment was directed are a very specific group of people. Doesn't include those who might benefit. And I can assure you, as someone interested in 'healthy longevity', I have seen substantial reasons to both consider and avoid milk that Nigel's done the task of covering in the comment below . . . and there are more reasons that go beyond that as well.<br /><br />But back to this completely outlandish assumption that you and Nige are being presented as Cult of Magic Milk. Just as back in that comment thread, and here, once again, nothing of the sort was asserted.<br /><br />You, or Nigel =/= to the individuals capitalising on 'the one food to rule them all' approach.Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-60753246865390960722014-09-27T20:18:47.662+01:002014-09-27T20:18:47.662+01:00People with ApoE4/E4 have got to avoid full-fat mi...People with ApoE4/E4 have got to avoid full-fat milk, as cholesterol is their biggest problem, not calcium.<br /><br /><br /><br />There are, of course, pungent beans in a mucus sauce for such people! :-)Nigel Kinbrumhttp://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-3366341885829264402014-09-27T20:13:43.275+01:002014-09-27T20:13:43.275+01:00Kade—I was very impressed with the research and an...Kade—I was very impressed with the research and analyses of the nutrition writers of the 1920's & 30's, and so while I remain guilty of continuing to agree with them in regarding milk [and its products] as a more valuable food than other contemporary commenters seem to do (including—I gathered—yourself), I'm pretty sure that I didn't claim that milk was <i>"magic"</i>, or that having it <i>"will solve everything."</i><br /><br />(I love to watch magicians, but as an atheist I don't <i>believe in magic.)<br /> </i><br />The Calcium-shift phenomenon appears to have solid empirical support<br />[see the Fujita papers above] and I would have thought that as a guy who has previously said [to Nige] that he was interested in "healthy longevity", you might have agreed that whereas milk [and its products] are rich in the two primary factors (calcium & Vitamin K₂) that will PREVENT the Calcium-shift phenomenon [and the parade of pathologies secondary <br />to it]—that maybe this food may be of more than ordinary value in regard to enjoying that "healthy longevity."<br /><br />But if you disagree, that's fine with me. It does, however, seem a stretch to suggest that Nige and yours truly are in the business of proselytizing for the <b><i>Cult of the Magic Milk.</i></b><br /><br /> <i>"Magic?"</i> No, not magic:<i><br />Man cannot live by bread protein carbs fat MILK alone.</i>billy the knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-44471198287566815622014-09-27T16:36:06.876+01:002014-09-27T16:36:06.876+01:00Man, talk about drama . . .
This is what I mean b...Man, talk about drama . . .<br /><br />This is what I mean by dogma gone astray. I'm addressing those who literally make the argument: "Take this! THIS will solve EVERYTHING. It's not working?! No! You're doing it wrong!" Just because something is good, doesn't mean that people can't become reductive about its merits. If bothered to quote the full comment, it would make a bit more sense, but oh well. . .<br /><br />Doesn't stop the selective quoting.<br /><br />And you'd be surprised how often Nigel and I have had a chat about K2. And he knows my views, it's good, but it isn't magic. It won't solve everything.<br /><br />Why is it that when I address one group of people who're singularly fixated on something and capitalising on it--rather literally--that somehow that address now extends to those who have actually benefited from that 'something' in question?<br /><br />As for the people who upvoted me that time . . . shame on them! It's not like I was presenting a nuanced argument and addressing both sides of the issue. [/sarcasm]Kade Storm A.K.A. Hedonisthttp://www.kadestorm.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-63077193815021767242014-09-25T19:46:41.643+01:002014-09-25T19:46:41.643+01:00Unfortunately, nobody read my blog five years ago!...Unfortunately, nobody read my blog five years ago! :-/Nigel Kinbrumhttp://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174025374821038087.post-83036338348946778692014-09-25T19:21:11.145+01:002014-09-25T19:21:11.145+01:00CarbSane's Sept.12, 2012 posting—
http://carbs...CarbSane's Sept.12, 2012 posting—<br />http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/09/disqus-weston-price.html#disqus_thread<br />—consisted of a generalized bashing of Weston Price [and supporters] with many commenters chiming in to further the ridicule factor.<br /><br />Kade Storm A.K.A. the Hedonist [with whom I have often found areas of agreement] didn't think much of the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, & K₂—<br />suggesting that their advocates were what he called <i>"food cult merchants."</i> [receiving 3 up-votes for this opinion].<br /><br />Responding to Kade Storm, Lighthouse Keeper also didn't think much of Weston Price's "X-factor"—Vitamin K₂—which he called <i>"the mysterious super nutrient"</i>, and also employed the term <i>"the cult of the fat soluble vitamins."</i><br /> <br />To which I suggested that Chris Masterjohn's paper on K₂ —<br />http://www.printfriendly.com/print/?redirect=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.westonaprice.org%2Fhealth-topics%2Fabcs-of-nutrition%2Fon-the-trail-of-the-elusive-x-factor-a-sixty-two-year-old-mystery-finally-solved%2F&headerImageUrl=&headerTagline=&imageDisplayStyle=right&customCSSURL=&disableClickToDel=0&disablePDF=0&disablePrint=0&disableEmail=0&hideImages=0<br />—might possibly persuade them that K₂ may not be as irrelevant to health & well-being as their comments suggested. But I forgot to add <br />that <b>Nigel the k had also posted on the importance of K₂—FIVE YEARS AGO:</b><br />http://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/2009/01/vitamin-k.htmlbilly the knoreply@blogger.com