Showing posts with label Feinman and Fine. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Feinman and Fine. Show all posts

Thursday, 31 July 2014

Nonequilibrium thermodynamics and energy efficiency in weight loss diets, by Richard D Feinman and Eugene J Fine.


From http://www.caloriegate.com/the-black-box/9-pictures-that-prove-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt-that-calories-dont-count

From Nonequilibrium thermodynamics and energy efficiency in weight loss diets:-

"Conclusion
Emphasis on kinetics and nonequilibrium thermodynamics provides a conceptual framework for understanding the effect of macronutrient composition on maintenance and change of body mass and possibly for analysis of adipocyte metabolism in general. The simple model presented is intended to be consistent with a general shift away from equilibrium thermodynamics and towards a more dynamic analysis of cellular processes."

Sounds plausible. There's only one thing wrong with Feinman et al's article - it's completely wrong!

Consider two rooms:-

Room "A" has an adjustable heater. The heater is adjusted until the room temperature is 20°C.

Room "B" has a radiator, controlled by a wall-stat set to 20°C. The radiator is on, and the room is at 20°C.

We have two rooms of the same size, at the same temperature.

If you plug in & turn on a 2kW fan heater in each room, what happens to the temperature in each room?

Room "A" gets warmer, because there is 2kW more heat power entering it.

Room "B" stays at 20°C, because the wall-stat reduces the heat power from the radiator by 2kW.

The human body stays at 37°C ±~2°C, because there's a Negative Feed-Back loop adjusting the heat power produced, via UCP's, futile cycles, thyroid hormones, shivering and heat conservation/wasting behaviours.

∴ Variable heat power generation due to variable Dietary Efficiency doesn't change Eout.


EDIT: By request, here's Figure 1 from the above study.

This suggests that fat mass & therefore weight can increase indefinitely - at maintenance energy intake, due to the effect of insulin on HSL. This, of course, is quite impossible!

From The Energy Balance Equation:-

Change in Body Stores = Ein (corr for digestion) - Eout (BMR/RMR + TEF + TEA + SPA/NEAT)
__BMR/RMR & TEA ∝ weight
weight → Eout
__If Ein = constant, Eout (Ein - Eout) → weight
weight → weight
∴ Figure 1 is wrong.

Thursday, 7 January 2010

I have a hypothesis.

I was keeping quiet about this, as it contradicts Gary Taubes, Michael R Eades & Richard D Feinman and Eugene J Fine.

Please note: This post is not criticising low-carb, high-fat diets. I'm pointing out that if someone on a low-carb, high-fat diet exercises as much gluttony as they want on roast lamb/pork/duck etc, they may not lose as much weight/body fat as they expected & they may even gain.

I don't want to start a shit-storm, but as I am in the "a calorie is a calorie" (when it comes to weight gain/loss) camp and a lot of the people whose blogs I link to aren't, I need to go public. So, here it is, copied and pasted from the comments section of Diet, Carbs, Fat and Weight Loss, corrected for spelling.

"I would like to propose a theory which explains how fat cells can acquire glucose (& thus correct a deficiency in glycerol-3-phosphate) even when serum insulin level is basal.

Consider muscle cells undergoing anaerobic activity:-

Anaerobic activity is very inefficient and uses pyruvate at a very rapid rate. A deficiency in pyruvate up-regulates all of the up-stream processes, including Glu-T4 transporters so as to maximise pyruvate production.

This explains why resistance training with weights greatly increases muscular insulin sensitivity and why resistance training with weights when depleted of muscle glycogen can cause precipitous drops in blood glucose level.

Ditto for glycerol-3-phosphate in fat cells. In this case, blood glucose level is maintained by the liver & kidneys, which convert the glycerol backbone of triacylglycerols (fats) and other substrates such as lactate, pyruvate & glucogenic amino acids into glucose."


In plain terms what this means is that, like muscle cells, fat cells can acquire as much glucose as they need, independently of carbohydrate intake.

Therefore, if an excess (beyond what the body is burning) of dietary fat is eaten, this can be stored in fat cells even if serum insulin level does not increase.

There. I've said it. I expect comments. Moderation is enabled. All comments that are free from ad-hominem, straw men & other logical fallacies will be published.

EDIT: Here's evidence that dietary fat can be stored in the absence of dietary carbohydrate. It involves doing maths on an Oral Fat Tolerance Test:- On burning, storing and recomposing.

EDIT: Here's evidence that a calorie is a calorie (where weight change is concerned):- Bray et al shows that a calorie *is* a calorie (where weight change is concerned).
 
As a lot of people report that they can eat dietary fat without getting fat (& actually getting lighter & slimmer), there appears to be something "magical" going on. It's generally accepted that fat is the least thermogenic of all the macronutrients & protein is the most thermogenic. I wonder if this is the case for all types of fat and all types of people.

See Butyric Acid: an Ancient Controller of Metabolism, Inflammation and Stress Resistance.

From Battle of the Weight Loss Diets: Who's Winning (at losing):-
Insulin Resistant people lose more weight on low-carb, high-fat (LCHF) diets than high-carb, low-fat (HCLF) diets.  
Insulin Sensitive people lose more weight on high-carb, low-fat (HCLF) diets than low-carb, high-fat (LCHF) diets.

According to Gary Taubes's Carbohydrate Insulin Hypothesis, everyone should lose more weight on low-carb, high-fat (LCHF) diets than on high-carb, low-fat (HCLF) diets. Therefore, Gary Taubes's Carbohydrate Insulin Hypothesis is false.

It's possible that in people who do well on LCHF diets, kcals out on the right hand side of the Energy Balance Equation increase significantly. So keep on keeping on.

EDIT: With the benefit of four more years of knowledge, here's why LCHF & ketogenic diets have an advantage for people who have Insulin Resistance. How low-carbohydrate diets result in more weight loss than high-carbohydrate diets for people with Insulin Resistance or Type 2 Diabetes.

See also:-
Metabolic Advantage of Ketogenic Diets Debunked? An Intriguing Study You Will Want to Read
Is the Fable of Unfettered Fat Burning Derailing Your Low Carb Diet?

See also How stuff works & Enzymes.